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Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 22 Feb 2014 19:09
by Peanuts
Hi i have been running affliction for a little bit now and from what i gather, below 25% hp u change from shadowbolt to drain soul. However i find that when i do this my corruption often has a shorter duration than the cd of my haunt, which i use at below 25% to refresh it (especially if i apply corruption during bloodlust). So more often than not my corruption falls off before i can refresh, losing the original haste/sp it had.
Does this mean that at higher haste its actually better to just shadowbolt rather than drain soul? or shud i just let corruption fall off and reapply manually?

Thanks in advance

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 22 Feb 2014 19:27
by Myaoming
You remind me of myself :P

Drain Soul refreshes Corruption as well if you read Everlasting Affliction talent well. Reapply Drain Soul to not let your fast Corruption drop. Get Quartz Addon if you don't have it already to be able to foresee Drain Soul ticks and reapply right after a tick and not between 2 ticks or before the next tick in few milliseconds.

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 23 Feb 2014 02:25
by Peanuts
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Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 23 Feb 2014 06:50
by xtopher
Also, as far as I know, SP and haste are not stats that continue "rolling" when Corruption is refreshed. The stats that do roll over are crit and percentual damage modifiers. This is why Nevermelting Ice Crystal is a great trinket for affliction locks. You can take advantage of this mechanic by reapplying Corruption with NMIC up, Potion of Wild Magic, Devious Minds (4 pc. t10 bonus), and possibly bribing a rogue to use Tricks of the Trade on you.

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 23 Feb 2014 11:43
by emsy
The major problem with drain soul phase is that Shadow Embrace stacks fade if you don't have enough haste to recast haunt inbetween the drain souls to refresh it

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 23 Feb 2014 12:14
by Relina
xtopher wrote:Also, as far as I know, SP and haste are not stats that continue "rolling" when Corruption is refreshed. The stats that do roll over are crit and percentual damage modifiers. This is why Nevermelting Ice Crystal is a great trinket for affliction locks. You can take advantage of this mechanic by reapplying Corruption with NMIC up, Potion of Wild Magic, Devious Minds (4 pc. t10 bonus), and possibly bribing a rogue to use Tricks of the Trade on you.
This is how it worked on retail, but not on TW.

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 23 Feb 2014 13:38
by Myaoming
emsy wrote:The major problem with drain soul phase is that Shadow Embrace stacks fade if you don't have enough haste to recast haunt inbetween the drain souls to refresh it
It's ok to reapply Shadow Embrace with Shadowbolt as well, in case the 4 seconds remaining on Shadow Embrace after Haunt's CD aren't enough for a slow cast + travelling time.
xtopher wrote:Also, as far as I know, SP and haste are not stats that continue "rolling" when Corruption is refreshed. The stats that do roll over are crit and percentual damage modifiers. This is why Nevermelting Ice Crystal is a great trinket for affliction locks. You can take advantage of this mechanic by reapplying Corruption with NMIC up, Potion of Wild Magic, Devious Minds (4 pc. t10 bonus), and possibly bribing a rogue to use Tricks of the Trade on you.
Yeah, in case this mechanism gets to work, I don't recommend keeping Nevermelting Ice Crystal while in encounter. The best use of it is applying it before the encounter starts, then switching to PNL (speaking BiS)
Nevermelting Ice Crystal buff stays even after replacing the trinket, unlike EoF trinkets and others with "use".

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 24 Feb 2014 12:22
by Nyaneve
Is the NIC supposed to work that way? Seems buggy to me.

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 24 Feb 2014 13:49
by Relina
Myaoming wrote: Yeah, in case this mechanism gets to work, I don't recommend keeping Nevermelting Ice Crystal while in encounter. The best use of it is applying it before the encounter starts, then switching to PNL (speaking BiS)
Nevermelting Ice Crystal buff stays even after replacing the trinket, unlike EoF trinkets and others with "use".
NIC buff should only be active while you have the trinket equipped, if its activated pre combat & then replaced by another trinket the buff it provides should be removed.

If its buff is staying active after being replaced the its bugged in the same way librams & sigils are.

Here is what was recommended by retail warlocks :

When Corruption is refreshed, the crit rating is not updated to the actual crit rating of your character or the actual crit debuffs on the mob. Instead, the crit rating you had when you applied the first Corruption keeps "rolling" as long as you keep refreshing it. The same is true for percentual damage increases, namely Tricks of the Trade and Death's Embrace. This has lead to a rather unintuitive way of maximizing corruption damage: Pre-Pot ([Potion of Wild Magic]), cast SB and Haunt, cast UA or CoA while Haunt is in the air, activate [Nevermelting Ice Crystal], then apply Corruption. If you have 4pT10, try to prolong this sequence by filler spells to get that proc as well. When the boss hits 35%, reapply Corruption while using NMIC and a pot again. Ideally, get Tricks of the Trade on both occasions and bribe your RL to announce heroism at 35%. The damage difference is significant: The Corruption damage will rise by roughly 30%, increasing the total damage by more than 10%.
This trick has been mentioned in a blue post, saying it is actually NOT an abuse, but clever use of game mechanics.
Even if you don't want to use it, it is good to know that applying Corruption before your first shadow bolt hits is actually a bad idea. This is the reason for the starting sequence: Make sure (someone's) Shadow Bolt already hit the target when you apply Corruption.


As you can see they were not able activate NIC before combat starts & then replace with another trinket, instead they activated NIC just before applying Corruption.

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 24 Feb 2014 14:50
by Myaoming
I thought they made NMIC an exception, thanks for the clarification :P
Then I guess NMIC should be used on all bosses except PP, Sindy, and LK where you can't keep a Corruption rolling easily.

Re: Affliction Lock Question

Posted: 24 Feb 2014 18:30
by Relina
Well it won't matter till corruption mechanics get fixed, if ever :P.